Hi There!

So, I have been struggling with this print for some days now.

The print starts just fine, but an hour or so later, the material coming out of the noozle appears dotted, unevenly distributed. It goes on like this for a while then PLA just stops coming out of the noozles. Trying the manual extrusion did not help, and I am just stuck now. Checked the feeder, and it has not been eating in the PLA so I do not think its a feeder problem (at least not yet).

Any idea on what could be going on? suggestions to get functional again? A little desperate here!!

Many many thanks! :slight_smile:

Shirine

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Hey @Shishi, what printer are you using?

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Hey! I have an Ultimaker 2

First thing , try to clean your nozzle. Atomic method work well.

What kind of PLA are you using ? ( brand )

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Hi Shirine,

I’m experiencing almost the same problem with my Ultimaker 2.

Are you using Simplify3D for slicing your prints?

edit:

And did you install the latest firmware for your UM2?

Erik

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I had this problem on large footprint prints, and it turned out to be overextrusion. After 10 or 20 layers, the pressure of the cooled print against the nozzle was so big that the melted PLA didn’t come out. The pressure in the Bowden tube built up. The extruder started grinding the filament, losing grip. After that, the extruder went round and round, but didn’t feed the filament. To check for this, look at the filament in the extruder. If it looks like someone took a bite out of it, and this “bite” is right where the extruder wheel has been sitting, this is the probable explanation. The solution is to reduce the Flow value in the UM2 menu by a few percents. Or measure the diameter of your filament with some calipers, and use this calculator to find the exact reduction you should apply.

Since you don’t see any evidence of grinding on your filament, maybe the problem is temperature. Is your printer in a draft free environment? Have you tried adjusting the nozzle temperature? How fast are you printing (how many mm2/s)?

Does the problem appear at the exact same height each time, or does it vary a bit? If it’s at the exact same height, maybe the problem is with your Z axis.

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It is most probably time to change your insulator coupler. Make sure you get the New TFM coupler which is reportedly suppose to last at least 10 times longer than the original PTFE coupler.

dont underestimate this little piece of plastic, a good Insulator coupler has a huge effect on your printing experience.

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Hi Shishi

what about to try a manual feed of the filament with temperature around 210 C for PLA? And see how the material is extruded?

Have you measured filament diameter with a caliper? If the value is different from 2.85 mm modify diameter setting on your slicer accordingly.

Another suggestion could be to apply the so called Atomic method on your Ultimaker.

https://ultimaker.com/en/resources/19510-how-to-apply-atomic-method.

Applying this method you can also give a look to the status of your PTFE or new TFM insulator.

If you should see a dark color or deformations on PTFE it would be required to change this small cylinder

Richard

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Hello everyone,

Jash here Im using ultimaker extended plus, only once or twice i got the same problem, but to resolve it, you need to stop using your filament on an optimum temperature, when you are starting the print. i guess you guys might be playing around with the setting on machine, in this situation we all are modifying the g-code of what we exported to the sd card,if the filament is little old then the temperature what i use for my ultimaker filament is in between 176 to 186, what i do is i let the machine take the filament temprature to the orignal tempreture, that is for 0.25 is 195, i go to my setting i let it drool till i see the proper flow of the filament, then i start taking it to the optimum temperature slowly and wait, by this im making it sure for me, that the flow of the filament is proper.

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Which printer?

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If you use the atomic method for cleaning as suggested (sometimes I do 10 or more pulls to get the nozzle properly clean) you can often tell from examining the pulled piece whether your teflon coupler is deformed. I find that there is often small internal bulge in the coupler which indicates that it needs replacing. If the atomic pull slips out clean and smooth, then the coupler is probably not the culprit. This will deform happen faster if you use hotter-running materials.

They are not the cheapest consumable item, but compared to the many hours your could spend trying to get a print right, it’s worth having a spare anyway.

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Hi Shishi,

I had the similar problem for sometime but I think I have found a solution for that. Please print at 218-220 degree celsius temperature. Also, oil the bowden tube regularly from inside so that filament moves smoothly and make sure you use machine oil which is thin.

Let me know if it worked for you or you require any help.

Cheers,

Sushil

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Your problem could be one of many but the most likely:

This sounds like “too many retractions” where the symptom is the print is mostly fine but fails in a certain area of the same print almost every time. Another symptom is that some prints are fine. Another symptom is that if you pull the filament out a bit you can see it was ground up in the feeder. In general usually you can retract the exact same spot of filament about 10 times before you reach the high risk area where you grind it down so much there isn’t enough filament left in the feeder to get a grip on. If you are listening to the printer when it is in this area you hear a retraction every few seconds. Or you can look in the failing region using cura and see if there are lots of retractions there. To limit each spot of retractions to 10, assuming your retraction distance is 4.5mm set minimal extrusion parameter to 0.45mm.

But it could be many other things. Here’s my list of underextrusion causes:

CAUSES FOR UNDEREXTRUSION AND HOW TO TEST FOR THEM AND REMEDY THEM

As far as underextrusion causes - there’s just so damn many. none of the issues seem to cause more than 20% of problems so you need to know the top 5 issues to cover 75% of the possibilities and 1/4 people still won’t have the right issue. Some of the top issues:
1) Print slower and hotter! Here are top recommended speeds for .2mm layers (twice as fast for .1mm layers) and .4mm nozzle:
20mm/sec at 200C
30mm/sec at 210C
40mm/sec at 225C
50mm/sec at 240C
The printer can do double these speeds but with huge difficulty and usually with a loss in part quality due to underextrusion. Different colors print best at quite different temperatures and due to imperfect temp sensors, some printers print 10C cool so use these values as an initial starting guideline and if you are still underextruding try raising the temp. But don’t go over 240C with PLA.

2) Shell width confusion. Shell width must be a multiple of nozzle size. For example if nozzle size is .4mm and shell width is 1mm cura will make the printer do 2 passes with .5mm line width which is possible but requires you to slow down much more to make a .5mm line out of a .4mm nozzle. If you really want this then set nozzle size to .5mm so it’s clear what you are asking Cura to do for you.

3) Isolator - this is most common if you’ve printed extra hot (>240C) for a few hours or regular temps (220C) for 500 hours. It gets soft and compresses the filament under pressure. It’s the white part touching the heater block. It’s very hard to test when not under full pressure (spring and bowden) so sometimes it’s best to just replace it. Also if you notice parts of it are very soft (the blacker end where it touches higher heat) then it’s too old and needs replacing.

4) Curved filament at end of spool - if you are past half way on spool, try a fresh spool as a test.

5) curved angle feeding into feeder - put the filament on the floor -makes a MASSIVE difference.

6) Head too tight? Bizarrely MANY people loosen the 4 screws on the head by just a bit maybe 1/2 mm and suddenly they can print just fine! Has to do with pressure on the white teflon isolator.
6b) Bowden pushing too hard - for the same reason you don’t want the bowden pushing too hard on the isolator.
6c) Spring pushing too hard. Although you want a gap you want as small as possible a gap between teflon isolator and steel isolator nut such that the spring is compressed as little as possible.

7) clogged nozzle - the number one problem of course - even if it seems clear. There can be build up on the inside of the nozzle that only burning with a flame can turn to ash and remove. Sometimes a grain of sand gets in there but that’s more obvious (it just won’t print). Atomic method (cold pull) helps but occasionally you need to remove the entire heater block/nozzle assembly and use flame. Or soak it in acetone overnight (after removing 90% of the material with cold pull).

8) Temp Sensor bad - even the good ones vary by +/- 5C and bad ones can be any amount off - they usually read high and a working sensor can (rarely) fail high slowly over time. Meaning the sensor thinks you are at 220C but actually you are at 170C. At 170C the plastic is so viscous it can barely get out of the nozzle. You can verify your temp sensor using this simple video at youtube - on you tube search for this: mrZbX-SfftU

9) feeder spring issues - too tight, too loose

10) Other feeder issues, one of the nuts holding machine together often interferes with the feeder motor tilting it enough so that it still works but not very well. Other things that tilt the feeder motor, sleeve misaligned so it doesn’t get a good grip. Gunk clogging the mechanism in there.

11) Filament diameter too big - 3mm is too much. 3mm filament is usually 2.85mm nominal or sometimes 2.9mm +/- .05. But some manufacturers (especially in china) make true 3.0mm filament with a tolerance of .1mm which is useless in an Ultimaker. It will print for a few meters and then clog so tight in the bowden you will have to remove the bowden from both ends to get the filament out. Throw that filament in the trash! It will save you weeks of pain

11b) Something wedged in with the filament. I was setting up 5 printers at once and ran filament change on all of them. One was slowly moving the filament through the tube and was almost to the head when I pushed the button and it sped up and ground the filament badly. I didn’t think it was a problem and went ahead and printed something but there was a ground up spot followed by a flap of filament that got jammed in the bowden tube. Having the “plus” upgrade or using the IRobertI feeder helps you feel this with your hand by sliding the filament through the bowden a bit to see if it is stuck.

12) Hot weather. If air is above 30C or even possibly 25C, the air temperature combined with the extruder temperature can soften the filament inside the feeder such that it is getting squeezed flat as it passes through the feeder - this is obvious as you can see the problem in the bowden. The fix is to add a desk fan blowing on the back of the printer. Not an issue on the UM2 “plus” series.

13) Crimped bowden. At least one person had an issue where the bowden was crimped a bit too much at the feeder and although the printer worked fine when new it eventually got worse and had underextrusion on random layers. it’s easy to pull the bowden out of the feeder end and examine it.

14) Small nozzle. Rumor has it some of the .4mm nozzles are closer to .35mm. Not sure if this is actually true. I’m a bit skeptical but try a .6mm nozzle maybe.

15) CF filament. The knurled sleeve in the extruder can get ground down smooth - particularly from carbon fill. 4 spools of CF will destroy not just nozzles but the knurled sleeve also. Look at it visually where the filament touches the “pyramids”. Make sure the pyramids are sharp.

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